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Offline MountainDevil54

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Muzzleloading Inspection finds a flaw
« on: October 16, 2016, 11:40:12 AM »
I just wanted to share a very scary situation I found on a friends sons muzzleloader pistol. His son bought it at a show, unfired condition the seller told him. They felt that the lock was heavy and the set trigger was to stiff. After inspecting the lock and  trigger, they checked out in perfect working order.

The pistol brand is known for using a very heavy duty main spring which does make the lock feel heavy when you cock it. Even heavier when theres no lube on the rubbing surfaces! A little lube and oil and the lock felt perfect.

Same with the triggers! A little lube and oil worked into the rubbing surfaces of the trigger spring and engagement areas left a nice grit free, creep free trigger.

Getting to the bore I got my light out and was shocked to see that barrels breech plug and drum was packed full of fouling! I mean SOLID fouling! I used a small drill bit to break it up as much as I could, then used the hot soapy bath method to remove the rest.  Unfired condition? It was more like, fired until it would no longer fire!

I suspect the previous owner had been using a centerfire cleaner and just swabbed the bore from the muzzle end, rather than using the hot soapy water/suction method. All the previous owner did was push fouling into the breech plug and in the end, plugged it up and sold it off.
 

Luckily neither my friend or his son attempted to shoot it!

After the barrel was clean, I grabbed the nipple I had pulled out, went to clean it and my gut just sunk!

The nipple on one side had most of the threads broken off from poor cleaning and lack of up keep! Most likely, the owner had installed the nipple dry and over the time of shooting, all the blow by that gets into the threads, locked the nipple into the drum and he broke some threads during removal.

 The threads inside of the drum looked perfect and a new 6-1mm nipple was threaded into place and everything was in safe working condition.
   

Naturally when I saw that mess broken off the nipple, I thought, HA! Clean out screw is pushed against the nipple and broke the threads! Nope, that clean out screw was perfectly flush and no where close to hitting the nipple.

Never buy something and assume the previous owner actually cared for it! Strip it down completely, inspect for cracks in wood,metal and especially the threads of the bolster/drum!

 I took the pistol outside after I was finished cleaning and inspecting it, shot it 6 times and now, I will be ordering the same pistol because it was deadly accurate out to 25 yards!

After shooting it half a dozen times, I completely stripped it down, cleaned the wood, cleaned out the trigger mech, lock, nipple, threads, and did a good cleaning job before relubing all the parts. A nice wipe down with a RIG rag and she was back to the owner the next day.

It feels good knowing that  you most likely saved someones eye due to the previous owner being a skunk and selling something to an un-expecting stranger.

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Re: Muzzleloading Inspection finds a flaw
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 09:09:15 PM »
You don't have to be a rookie to have this happen to you. All it takes is trusting a stranger with an honest voice, and/or an honest face. There was a guy who answered my wanted ad last year for an inline I wanted to get my hands on; he told me it was clean inside and out. You can guess the story I heard; they took it out a few times, always cleaned it after they went shooting, so it was just like new. I drove about an hour and a half to his place, and his son was there with the rifle. I made the mistake of forgetting my bore light, and his wife was sitting there in the same room, shades drawn and a baby asleep on her lap. It was dim in there (the  baby was sleeping, right?), but the outside of that rifle, just like he said, looked like brand new. No windows to look through the barrel, no rod for the breech plug wrench. None of it added up, but for some reason, like a total idiot, I handed over that wad of cash and headed out the door, where I found it was raining and dark gray, so I ran for the car and tossed it into my back seat.

I got home a couple of hours later, laid it on my gun bench, and went inside. Later on, I'd come back and give it a good cleaning, inside and out. That evening, I went out, removed the stocks, cleaned and scrubbed the outside, and then came the bore. I started with the breech plug, after I found a rod to make the plug wrench work, and I about gave myself a hernia getting that plug loose. The threads came out all rusty, and the face and blowhole were caked up with carbon buildup. Nobody had ever removed that plug, NOR had they put any lube on the threads, NOR had they cleaned the fire-channel. I was angry, but then I looked through the bore, and the blood froze in my veins. The bore was SO rusted, I couldn't even tell where the rifling was. I grabbed my brushed, and hoped it was not as bad as it looked. I've never seen a barrel this bad, and twenty minutes of scrubbing made no difference at all. This bore was utterly and completely ruined, worse than anything I'd EVER seen.

That's when I knew I'd been taken, using as slick a con as I've ever seen. What's worse, I aided them at every turn by forgetting my drop-in bore light, then by not demanding more light, and then by not stopping outside and looking before I left. And by trusting them.

I raised a fuss with the guy, and he finally agreed to give me my money back. Here's where it gets interesting. Another guy called me and told me that he was sent by the first guy to give me my money back, so I met him. Whoever this guy was, he was totally condescending to me, telling me that I didn't know anything about cleaning guns (Huh? WTF??), and that he'd take it from here. I started to tell the guy off, I was about to read him the riot act and let him know that I knew EXACTLY what I was talking about.

It was then that I realized what was going on. You see, the original guy had found a brand new sucker and convinced this guy that I knew nothing about guns, and that anybody who REALLY knew what they were doing could clean that barrel up spiffy in no time at all. Even more importantly, that brand-new buyer was about to hand me ALL of my money back (over $400), and he was fully informed of the rust in the barrel. You can guess what I did next.

I smiled and said, "Maybe you're right. I wish you good luck with it, anyway."   

I counted my money, shook his hand, and left!

Not long after that, I found a truly just-like-new example of that rifle, with an immaculate barrel. Yeah, I brought my drop-in bore light this time! :IBCOOL: :tup:

Safe to say, I learned my lesson about trusting sellers, especially with black-powder weapons.

Thought you'd enjoy the story.

 


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